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Potter Predictions for Book Seven [Aug. 7th, 2005|10:10 pm]
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So what will happen in book seven? Here's my guesses.


Guess: Dudley Dursley, and possibly Petunia Dursley, will be reconciled with Harry. If it's Dudley, he will have some hidden power or magical connection. They will provide a key piece of information or timely assitance to aid Harry.

This is a rehash of my incorrect book six guess. I think that these characters, particularly Dudley, need resolution. The hidden magical connection in the family is just my guess on how it will tie into the story's climax.


Guess: Grawp will take action at some pivotal moment, dimly aware of what he's doing. The dark forces will not expect this because they don't consider him an actor, being non-human.

We saw Grawp mentioned periodically throughout this book though he had no bearing on the story. Thus, I expect him to be (momentarily) significant in the final book. I'll go on a hunch and say that he will witness some confrontation and step in against a dark wizard he thinks is fighting underhanded or to step in and save Harry during some moment of physical peril (the proverbial cliff-hanger).


Guess: Dumbledore died at the end of book six. But he will return, in a different form, to guide Harry in book seven.

I'm told there's some discussion about whether he actually really truly died. I think he did. But, following the structure of the myth, he will still aid Harry in the end. Since we're in a magical world and we've seen numerous ways to interact with dead characters, I think his return will be more than just Harry recalling sage advice.


Guess: Harry will kill Voldemort. Snape, having evaded Harry, will be there to help at the critical moment and finally prove that he is on the side of good.

Voldemort dies would seem to be a "Duh!" given everything we've seen so far. Snape is really in a bad spot at the end of book six. I think he killed Dumbledore on his orders (just as Dumbledore made Harry swear to follow his commands, no matter how extreme) and will use this to get as close as possible to Voldemort. Harry will think he's fighting both of them.


Too Cool To Happen: Harry discovers that he is one of the unknown Horcruxes (something of Godric's?) used by Voldemort. He kills himself at the same time that he kills Voldemort.

This came up while Kit and I were talking. This is similar to how I wanted Lord of the Rings to end: Frodo, mortally bound and addicted to the Ring, summons just enough willpower to cast himself into the fires.

I think (because I like dark touches!) that it would be cool to see this as an ending to the Harry Potter series. I doubt this will come to pass because this is a kids' series. But it would fit all the facts, wouldn't it? :)
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[User Picture]From: ysengrin
2005-08-08 05:29 am (UTC)
Wouldn't it be interesting if Harry really *did* die as a baby, and we've been following a piece of Tom Riddle for seven books?
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 05:41 am (UTC)
Oooooo! Very interesting possibility and very creative. (Mixing story archetypes!) I like it but I come back to the reason I discarded my guess: ultimately, it's a kids' series and that's pretty harsh. :)
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[User Picture]From: polrbear
2005-08-08 05:59 am (UTC)
My guess is that Dumbldore and Sirius will both reappear at the last minute to help Harry dispatch the final piece of Lord V. I also think that Nevile will play a significant role, inspite of his general ineptitude he seems to have a singular talent for defense against the dark arts.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 06:14 am (UTC)
Good guesses, surely! Neville (and Luna) are definitely characters that I'm curious about. Seems they'll both have roles in the final book.

Myself, I don't have a strong guess on how the different horcruxes will be dealt with. (There are four out there... Dealing with them individually would make for a long book. Perhaps we'll see them handled collectively?)
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[User Picture]From: gingerdavid
2005-08-08 12:24 pm (UTC)

The Gandalf gambit

Guess: Dumbledore died at the end of book six. But he will return, in a different form, to guide Harry in book seven.

Tolkien already used this trick, and it's still fresh in the minds of everyone who saw the LOTR movies.

Do you really think that Rowling would do something so derivative?

Okay, so the HP world is based on magic, but the only dead characters are ghosts, and Rowling has already explained (through Nearly-Headless Nick) that ghosts are souls who lack the courage to confront the reality of death. So Dumbledore is not going to come back as a ghost.

It's more likely that any advice Harry gets from the shade of Dumbledore will come via the pensieve.

Anyhow, who will take over as head of Hogwarts? Minerva McGonagall would be a splendid choice, if only because I'd love to see Dame Maggie Smith get a more prominent role in the movies.
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[User Picture]From: twopiearr
2005-08-08 02:47 pm (UTC)

Re: The Gandalf gambit

It's more likely that any advice Harry gets from the shade of Dumbledore will come via the pensieve.

*coughPORTRAITINTHEHEADMASTER'SOFFICEcough*
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[User Picture]From: maxgoof
2005-08-08 01:47 pm (UTC)
Guess 1: I suspect that Dudley has some magical abilities as well, judging from the hint Dumbledore dropped in chapter three, saying that the Dursley's had mistreated him. I don't think he was talking only about having spoiled him.

Guess 2: I'm only at the fifth chapter of the book, but I don't mind spoilers. I don't recall who Grawp is, exactly. Was he Hagrid's half brother? If that's the case, I doubt that Grawp will play a major role.

Guess 3: All I can say to this guess is, "Use the Force, Harry...let go of your feelings."

Guess 4: I haven't read enough of the book to know this for sure, but I suspect that Snape had absolutely no idea what mission Voldermort had given Draco Malfoy in chapter two, and was subtly trying to get that info out of the two witches, figuring that if he made them think he already knew about it, that they would be more forthcoming. You notice how easily he agreed to the first two parts of the Unbreakable Vow, and yet hesitated on the third. He would have to agree to complete any mission Draco had been given, without knowing what the mission was. It was the vow that forced him to kill Dumbledor. I suspect that Snape told Dumbledor about the vow, and that he did not know what he had agreed to complete.

Guess 5: Not only too cool, but frankly a let down. Not just because it's a kid's series (Frankly, the way Rowling writes, I think this book should not be read by anyone younger than Harry's age. Each book gets more dark and more mature. This is definitely not a book for 11-year-olds.) but a long book requires a satisfying ending. I still recall being let down by Philip Jose Farmer's and Philip K Dick's books. Great plots....horrid endings.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 04:36 pm (UTC)
I don't recall who Grawp is, exactly. Was he Hagrid's half brother? If that's the case, I doubt that Grawp will play a major role.

That's the one. I not sure how he can play a major role either, really. :) I'm just very suspicious that Rowling has mentioned him throughout book six when he didn't DO anything (except become "more civilized", hence my guess of his showing morality at a key moment). Considering that the book is fairly tight, it just seemed a little... odd.

Guess 5: Not only too cool, but frankly a let down.

MMmmm, dunno. Depends on your taste in stories, I guess. :) I have to say that, if it were built up right, I could totally dig that ending. But I also doubt she'll do that.

Guess 4: I haven't read enough of the book to know this for sure, but I suspect that Snape had absolutely no idea what mission Voldermort had given Draco Malfoy in chapter two

I kinda got that feeling, too. I think he could probably make some educated guesses; it was very likely to be either "kill Harry" or "kill Dumbledore".

It was the vow that forced him to kill Dumbledor. I suspect that Snape told Dumbledor about the vow, and that he did not know what he had agreed to complete.

Now, that's interesting! I hadn't quite put it together like that. I was thinking that Dumbledore already got Snape to agree to preserve his cover even if it meant killing him. Snape entered the vow with that knowledge. But what you say does fit the facts.
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[User Picture]From: witchofnovember
2005-08-08 06:01 pm (UTC)
I wonder if Snape will die distracting Voldimort at the critical point, kind of like Anikin did at the end of the Return of the Jedi.
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[User Picture]From: kit_ping
2005-08-08 06:05 pm (UTC)
That wasn't distracting, that was hurling over the edge into the bottomless pit! :)
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[User Picture]From: genhusky
2005-08-08 07:42 pm (UTC)
Well, I don't know what to think about Dudley or Petunia. I don't think he will have any magical powers or they might have already presented themselves during his emotional fits that happened so often in book 1. Remember, magic is hard to control when mixed with the emotions.

Grawp I think will become part of the fight for good. He is more civilized and we are not let to forget him. Also, what happened to Olympe? I forgot, did they say anything about her in Book 6? (vaguely remembers her showing up for the funeral though I could be putting my false memories in there.)

There is a theory that it was not Dumbledore who died, but that it was Dumbledore's brother Abbathor who did. They looked so much a like it was mentioned and it is rumored that Abbathor runs the Hog's Head (the bartender smells like goats and Abbathor liked goats a lot). Also, remember that they were heading towards the Hog's Head when they went into Hogsmeade.

Now, I believe that Harry will die killing Voldemort and that Ron and Hermione will marry and have a son naming him Harry Potter Weasley. Just my romantic fantasies really.

I predict that RON & HERMIONE will just get it over with and save us all from smacking them. That is one of the most frustrating parts of the whole series for me. Ron and Hermione not moving on and either date, kiss, or whatever. Too much tension!
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 08:05 pm (UTC)
Dudley or Petunia

I don't know about the Dursleys. They are some of my favorite characters (in the sense that they are intriguing not that I admire them) and I keep thinking that they must be reincorporated somehow.

I'd like to see some sort of deeper understanding between Harry and Dudley. But perhaps that is wishful thinking on my part. Perhaps the close of the book including something simple like Harry returning home and establishing that Dudley has no power over him anymore.

Grawp: He is more civilized and we are not let to forget him.

Yep. The fact that he gets mentioned --and his change emphasized-- in this book makes me think he'll be a factor in the final book. That was just too incongruous of an element.

it was not Dumbledore who died, but that it was Dumbledore's brother Abbathor

Whoa, really? I don't even remember hearing about Abbathor. Was that in OotP? (I only got through that once.)

But this would mean Harry had to spend time with him and watch his final moments without realizing the switch. Seems tenuous.
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[User Picture]From: twopiearr
2005-08-08 10:44 pm (UTC)
I'm calling it here:

Hogwarts is not, as an institution, going to survive Book 7.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-09 02:52 am (UTC)
Oooo, definitely a strong prediction! I could see that happening but, if I had to take sides, I'd bet against it.
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[User Picture]From: 3catsjackson
2005-08-09 05:05 am (UTC)
Sorry to shoot down the interesting Dudley-as-wizard theory, but...

Q: Is there more to Dudley than meets the eye?

JKR: No. [Laughter]. What you see is what you get. I am happy to say that he is definitely a character without much back story. He is just Dudley. The next book, Half Blood Prince, is the least that you see of the Dursleys. You see them quite briefly. You see them a bit more in the final book, but you don’t get a lot of Dudley in book six—very few lines. I am sorry if there are Dudley fans out there, but I think you need to look at your priorities if it is Dudley that you are looking forward to. [Laughter].


http://www.jkrowling.com/textonly/news_view.cfm?id=80
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-09 07:39 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Kit showed me that. As I say, I don't read any HP fan sites, so I miss out on a lot of scoops and hints.

I still expect something involving Petunia, though.
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