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Required Political Followup Post [Nov. 5th, 2004|11:08 am]
Nicodemus
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A lot of people have talked about moving to Canada. I can certainly sympathize. I was bitterly disappointed that Gee Dubya won, though I recognized that it was certainly a possibility (about 50%, in fact) all along. But I held out hope. Inevitably, there are also the niggling questions and concerns about the voting process...

More than anything, though, I am disappointed that 11 out of 11 states passed anti-gay marriage constitutional amendments. Although not gay (and with the marriage certificate to prove it), I certainly stand up for their rights to equal protection under the law. Denying them these rights, which really does not "threaten traditional marriage" in any way IMHO, is reprehensible. I don't wonder why a gay exodus to Canada is starting, having just heard 70% (on average) of your population telling you that your lifestyle choice is basically illegal.

Best of luck to those that go and those that stay.
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[User Picture]From: bluerain
2004-11-05 07:34 pm (UTC)
Thank you for understanding.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2004-11-05 07:48 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry to see such reactionary persecution in this country. Such is the danger of true democracy, though. I only hope that the divide can heal and that calmer minds, on both sides of the fence, will act together.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -- Voltaire

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[User Picture]From: toraneko
2004-11-05 07:52 pm (UTC)

Education, not exodus

I can completely understand why people would want to leave. If it weren't for Dizzy's job being here and here being pretty open minded compared to other places we could live, I might vacate the premises also. I'm not really happy with our Govenor calling "us" a bunch of losers though. I've lost a lot of respect for him over that comment. Not enough to pack up and leave though.

I'd like to see the people that stay be as active as they can. Gay couples, branch out from your nice safe like minded communities. Move in next door to Mr. and Mrs. John Doe Conservative American. Let them see for themselves that same sex couples are the same as everyone else, with the same hopes and dreams, the wish to be happy and live in peace.

I see the votes for state constitutional amendments as a fear reaction. It is human nature to fear what we do not know and many many people all across America do not know homosexuals on a one on one basis. This needs to change. you can insert any number of words for homosexuality into this formula. This vote has been the biggest fear reaction I've ever seen. Afraid of change because it is unknown the kneejerk reaction is to hold onto the familiar, even if it isn't all that, people are scared. Let's show them that there is nothing to be scared of and hopefully the mindset will change.

Remember, we have yet to elect a woman, a jew or a black to the top two offices in the nation. We still have a long way to go to overcome fear.

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[User Picture]From: bluerain
2004-11-05 07:59 pm (UTC)
I'd like to see the people that stay be as active as they can. Gay couples, branch out from your nice safe like minded communities. Move in next door to Mr. and Mrs. John Doe Conservative American. Let them see for themselves that same sex couples are the same as everyone else, with the same hopes and dreams, the wish to be happy and live in peace.

Please do remember that some of us want to live our lives as people, not as educational devices.
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[User Picture]From: brandywine93
2004-11-05 08:00 pm (UTC)
before people voted they should have been reminded that the US is a melting pot - meaning we open our arms to all people - regardless of race, creed, color, religion and certainly regardless of who you prefer to love. It boggles my mind, just completely baffles me as to how the government has the right to tell someone who they can love. Do none of them know the story of Romeo and Joliet?!?
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[User Picture]From: pathia
2004-11-05 08:06 pm (UTC)
I've always figured we were a nation of tolerance, not acceptance.

There's a difference.


They tolerate the gay presence, but they will not accept them.
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[User Picture]From: loranskunky
2004-11-05 08:20 pm (UTC)
I've said this before to someone else. No law would make these people accept something that they think is morally wrong. Sometimes I think they're sacred of us. I don't know where things are going to end up, but I can only hope better things in the future. We don't have any 'agenda' other then acceptance.

Yes, it's hard sometimes living in a country that likes to tell you that you're living in sin. But I don't think love is a sin.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2004-11-05 08:57 pm (UTC)
I think they're sacred of us.

I know you meant "scared", but it's not as funny as the original. ;)

Yes, I don't think they'll accept it. There are things that I don't accept in my life that I think should still be legal for everyone else (e.g. religion). There's a distinction between not personally accepting and legally banning.
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[User Picture]From: p0lecat
2004-11-05 10:36 pm (UTC)
Wow! I knew there income tax was high but 44% !?!?! BOY!
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[User Picture]From: pathia
2004-11-06 12:26 am (UTC)
It used to be as high as 70% in the US.
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[User Picture]From: agentmiss
2004-11-05 11:22 pm (UTC)
I'd just like to say on behalf of the people of Oregon, those of us with both brains and compassion, I'm really sorry.
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[User Picture]From: shalora
2004-11-06 02:48 am (UTC)
And my friends wonder why I'm planning to move to Oregon ASAP...
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[User Picture]From: chipuni
2004-11-06 01:31 am (UTC)
*grin* And then there are some of us both with a marriage certificate and who are gay... or, at least, bisexual.

But yeah. The state ballot measures shook me, too. Love is a rare enough thing; why try to legislate it away?
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[User Picture]From: shalora
2004-11-06 02:48 am (UTC)
Love is a rare enough thing; why try to legislate it away?
Well put. Bravo. :)
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[User Picture]From: kit_ping
2004-11-06 06:48 pm (UTC)
Get someone else to do it first, actually. Any time we pass something like that, it's dismissed as yet another sign that the commie pinko liberal infested gay lovin' debauchery addicted California is completely out of touch with what right thinkin' God fearin' honest simple patriotic murkins really believe.
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