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Potter: Loose Ends and Pondered Questions [Aug. 7th, 2005|10:15 pm]
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Some miscellaneous minor points. Things I haven't figured out but would WELCOME your comments and observations!


Was it just me or did Rowling spend a lot of book six talking about the Weasley's Wizard Wheezes shop? I mean, it's nice to know what's happened to Fred and George, but it seemed excessive. Is this a setup for something or just my own minor quibble with the book's pacing?

Will Luna make any contribution to the final book? She's still figuring in the main story line but I don't know how she'll have any impact on the tale's resolution (beyond what she's done already). Perhaps some information or contacts?

Will Peeves ever be significant? Will he finally be more than annoying failed-comic-relief?

Was it just me or was Trelawny left hanging in book six? Last time I recall her being mentioned, Harry had left her in the 7th floor hallway. Odd for Rowling to not give some mention at the end. (Was she at the funeral?)

Is the Tonks-Lupin subplot going to be significant in book seven or is Rowling just giving us a happy ending for some supporting characters? (And will we see fan pr0n involving a shapechanger and a werewolf?)
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[User Picture]From: kigeni
2005-08-08 06:20 am (UTC)
I believe Luna's contribution is spelled out simply enough. After all of her nonesense, she will be ironically correct at a critical point despite everyone doubting her.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 06:29 am (UTC)
Indeed, that fits very well. You're probably right. We'll have to see what situation they get into where a conspiracy theory or quack medicine turns out to be the vital information! I could totally see Rowling doing that, though. :)
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[User Picture]From: happyjenn97
2005-08-08 06:24 am (UTC)
Re: Peeves - he broke the cabinet (that Draco took to get fixed) in book 2 (at least I think it was 2...)

Re: Tonks-Lupin - I think it was just to show that the adults were also twitterpated. Book 6 = the book of love.

Beyond that? I don't know.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 06:30 am (UTC)
Peeves has definitely done things to advance the plot. But it's usually something that could've been explained in the story any number of ways (it seems to me). I keep wondering why he's there and what his background is. (Or is he just a minor character and comic relief after all?)
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[User Picture]From: kinkyturtle
2005-08-09 02:11 am (UTC)
"Alas! A cornucopia of love!"
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[User Picture]From: kai_ta_loipa
2005-08-08 06:29 am (UTC)
Weasley's Wizard Wheezes: I think she may have spent excessive amounts of time on this to make up for the excessive amounts of time she spent on detention with Umbridge in book 5...

Luna: If she does play a role, it would make sense for it to involve information... her mind seems to work in an absurd sort of way, and that combined with her knowledge of obscure phenomena from the Quibbler might help Harry figure out the what/where/how of some of the horcruces.

Peeves: Well, it was significant that he broke the vanishing cabinet the Death Eaters used to get in to Hogwarts... I would love it if, when the Dark Lord tries to take the school, Peeves followed him around pelting him with chalk.

Trelawny: You know, I was wondering that, too. I don't recall if she was at the funeral. Albus mentioned that she would be in danger outside of Hogwarts because she made the prophecy... the Death Eaters could have easily kidnapped her in all the confusion at the end of the book, and no one would have noticed for a while.

Tonks-Lupin: Maybe I'm just cynical, but I took that as another angle from which Rowling was BEATING US TO DEATH with that "love conquers all" crap.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 06:36 am (UTC)
I like some of your explanations, oh yes. :)

Peeves & Luna: commented above. Though I like the image of the Dark Lord having to duck hurled chalk.

Umbridge: Yes, book 5 was made very painful by this. (I haven't managed to reread it yet.) She displaced Rita Skeeter as most irritating character by a wide margin.
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[User Picture]From: singingnettle
2005-08-08 11:18 am (UTC)
I think this book needed a whole lot more tightening, and I am afraid I attribute a lot to the author's wandering than to leaving tantalizing loose ends to tie up.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 04:39 pm (UTC)
We'll have to wait and see. Previously, she's done a good job of building on minor, and apparently insignificant, details in previous books. But there's a LOT of things still floating around to be resolved in one book.
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[User Picture]From: twopiearr
2005-08-08 02:58 pm (UTC)
W^3: I suspect their continual mention was a device meant to contrast their fearless, freewheeling behavior against the rest of the wizarding world's in a time of crisis.

Luna: She and Neville will become an item. One of her father's crackpot theories will turn out to be the key to V's undoing. Neville acting on it will either be what finally undoes V or allows Harry to do so.

Peeves: Jar Jar Syndrome all the way. Albeit less annoying.

Trelawny: Was not mentioned because the story is primarily narrated from Harry's POV, and as far as Harry was concerned she ceased to have any significance after year 5.

Tonks-Lupin: Yes. And yes.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 04:44 pm (UTC)
Trelawny: Was not mentioned because the story is primarily narrated from Harry's POV

Yeah, yeah, I can see that. It's just a niggling itch since Rowling usually will provide some final mention of the characters at the end. The funeral seemed a perfect opportunity to mention which teachers were there. (Maybe Trelawny was there and I missed that line; gotta reread that.) Even for a now-marginalized character, it's odd for her to be abandoned at an indecisive moment, half-drunk, in a hallway.

Luna: One of her father's crackpot theories will turn out to be the key to V's undoing.

This certainly seems to be a widespread theory. :) It would fit, too. I guess I just haven't been paying attention to Luna closely and didn't see the signs.
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[User Picture]From: twopiearr
2005-08-08 07:25 pm (UTC)
re luna: widespread or not, I'm calling now that Neville's acting on Luna's pronouncement is going to be the difference maker where V is concerned. Luna knowing it alone is not enough, because she knows all kindsa stuff that never gets acted on.
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[User Picture]From: genhusky
2005-08-08 06:54 pm (UTC)
See, I have to disagree that this book from most from Harry's point of view. This has been true for the majority of the other books, but this one. This one I got the feeling that it was more of a third party point of view. We didn't get to see what was inside Harry or his thoughts. This book for me was SOLELY for setting up the end.
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[User Picture]From: twopiearr
2005-08-08 06:58 pm (UTC)
there's certainly a couple of scenes toward the front where we get an omniscent POV, but I perceive most of the events as being told through the Harry Filter rather than a more objective viewpoint.
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[User Picture]From: genhusky
2005-08-08 07:21 pm (UTC)
Well there was the filter, but more like we were following Harry, but not that we were seeing what he saw. That is the difference I felt.
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[User Picture]From: genhusky
2005-08-08 07:20 pm (UTC)
I think it is because in the end of book 6, some of the Wizard Wheezes were too effective during the battle in the school for the side of good and evil. It also sets up for Harry, Ron and Hermione to gather things for their hunt. I think that is why there was a lot of focus on the shop. Plus, it suggested how bad things were with the comparison of the street vendor fakes and the real stuff at the shop.

Luna's role, I must agree, will be in the form of information. That some of her assertions will prove true. Also, remember she can see the Thestrals, will they play a role again?

Peeves, I believe, is comic relief.

Trelawny was left hanging, but I think that is because Trelawny is in a state of hanging. She has lose ends.

With Lupin and Tonks, I think it is the fact that Lupin (the good marauder) has finally found someone to belong, somewhere to belong. And perhaps it is that strength from LOVE that will help him defeat Wormtail (the bad marauder). PS: There is already a lot of fan fiction involving Lupin and Tonks ever since book 5. There were hints scattered through out it.
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[User Picture]From: nicodemusrat
2005-08-08 07:52 pm (UTC)
the Wizard Wheezes were too effective during the battle in the school for the side of good and evil. It also sets up for Harry, Ron and Hermione to gather things for their hunt.

Aha! The Weasley twins get to be Harry's Q and provide quirky weapons. Entirely possible. :D

There is already a lot of fan fiction involving Lupin and Tonks ever since book 5. There were hints scattered through out it.

Wow, I totally missed the hints, because that one was a surprise to me. I didn't think it doesn't fit... I just didn't expect it.
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[User Picture]From: wolfstoy
2005-08-09 06:12 am (UTC)
I did get the feeling that this book was a bit more sloppy all around. One thing that I did notice was the talk of 1st year students being at the Quiddich try-outs. Why would they even be allowed. Wasn't a big deal that Harry got to be on the team as a 1st year student?
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